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    Eha Pappkriger
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    Budgets, we need more people

    Post by Eha Pappkriger on Mon 9 Mar 2009 - 0:47

    Hi,

    there haven't been a single budget in the history of eNorway. Yet. The Golden Party is taking advantage of this, and we're going to create our own financial plans for our economy in accord with the economic program which is being worked out. Hopefully we will stand out as a serious party, and gain votes for that. We will also keep track of money, and cut down on waste of money.

    Anyways, we're a small group of three people. Me, Spring and Martin Hval. We are looking for more people to help us create budgets. Are you interested? You should have a basuc understanding for numbers and accounting. It'll sure help us along.

    There will be held a meeting on mIRC this weekend, where this can be discussed further. Wednesday, around 20:00 if it's suitable for everyone.


    Any questions? Feel free to send a PM or write it down here.


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    Re: Budgets, we need more people

    Post by Spring Teodor on Mon 9 Mar 2009 - 14:01

    Wednesday at 20:00 is ok by me. We could meet at #gullpartiet on irc.quakenet.org.
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    Re: Budgets, we need more people

    Post by Martin Hval on Tue 10 Mar 2009 - 20:10

    I'll try to be there. #Gullpartiet on irc.quakenet.org sounds good to me. Is it OK for you, eha?
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    Re: Budgets, we need more people

    Post by Eha Pappkriger on Wed 11 Mar 2009 - 0:43

    Yep.
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    Re: Budgets, we need more people

    Post by Dave McCoy on Wed 11 Mar 2009 - 4:24

    Unfortunately, I'll be at work until 2130 Wednesday, so I won't be able to attend.
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    Re: Budgets, we need more people

    Post by Spring Teodor on Wed 11 Mar 2009 - 23:38

    So, this is what was said during our first IRC-Meeting. I admit, it is a little messy, but atleast some progress was made (I think..):

    [20:23:52] <Spring> So, hello eha and Martin_hval - I'm sorry for not beeing here in time.
    [20:24:02] <eha> thats ok, I was a bit late too
    [20:24:05] <Martin_hval> its ok
    [20:24:14] <Martin_hval> but, lets start
    [20:24:17] <Spring> let's
    [20:24:30] <eha> First thing, how to start?
    [20:24:37] <eha> How much money do we have?
    [20:24:57] <eha> How are we going to prioritize?
    [20:25:17] <Spring> first off, the money part isn't important now. Prioritizing is.
    [20:25:39] <Spring> if we have a set percentage, we can work it out from there
    [20:26:22] <Spring> I have written down a few things.
    [20:26:31] <eha> Can you please state which?
    [20:26:51] <Spring> hold on, lemme write it down here too Smile
    [20:27:45] <Martin_hval> We have 1638 Gold and 51501 NOK
    [20:28:03] <Cirno> in total? for the whole enorway?
    [20:28:06] <Martin_hval> in the treasury and bank of Norway
    [20:28:11] <Martin_hval> together
    [20:28:26] <Martin_hval> do we have money anywhere else?
    [20:28:29] <Cirno> You gotta discuss how you'll make money then, not how to spend it! :p
    [20:28:45] <Martin_hval> Very Happy
    [20:28:46] <eha> Taxes is our main source of income
    [20:28:56] <Spring> 1. Military (The buying of weapons, tickets, gifts, sponsoring of tanks and troopers)
    [20:28:56] <Spring> 2. Hospitals
    [20:28:56] <Spring> 3. Defense
    [20:28:56] <Spring> 4. Statly owned companies
    [20:28:56] <Spring> 5. A national bank, for keeping track on deflation/inflation (Do we have one of theese already?)
    [20:29:01] <eha> Other than that, I don't see any source of revenue
    [20:29:17] <eha> Good list
    [20:29:31] <eha> Funding of the military is probably what's draining most of our money
    [20:29:32] <Martin_hval> yes, but there is no way to find out how much we earn on taxes ( is it?)
    [20:29:38] <eha> Nope.
    [20:29:59] <Martin_hval> hospitals and defence systems aren't cheap either
    [20:30:10] <Spring> They aren't.
    [20:30:37] <eha> I used to run the universal defence system, and true, it took a lot of money
    [20:30:57] <Martin_hval> the last DS we bought costed 18000 NOK
    [20:31:10] <Spring> Where do we prioritize?
    [20:31:41] <eha> It might be cheaper to buy from private sectors when it comes to DS
    [20:31:54] <eliberator> 18k = 90gold in erepublik issue money
    [20:33:02] <eha> I would say military. Lets make it our number one priority
    [20:33:20] <eliberator> so if we will have at least 20new players who will bring gold into the country we can issue enough money for those Hospitals and DS
    [20:33:32] <Spring> eliberator
    [20:33:46] <Spring> 18k is 350g.
    [20:33:46] <Martin_hval> Yes, military is number 1
    [20:34:20] <Spring> I agree. Military number 1
    [20:34:21] <eha> Springs list is good enough
    [20:34:46] <Spring> i'm not sure about statly owned companies, or how many we have
    [20:34:54] <Martin_hval> we have one
    [20:35:05] <Spring> what is it?
    [20:35:06] <Martin_hval> a q5 weapon company
    [20:35:09] <Spring> Ah
    [20:35:28] <Spring> so it's directly linked to the military
    [20:35:33] <Martin_hval> yes
    [20:35:36] <Spring> or does it sell weapons to the public`?
    [20:35:40] <Martin_hval> no
    [20:35:46] <Spring> Then it should be under Military
    [20:35:55] <Spring> imo.
    [20:36:23] <Martin_hval> we have a hospital and ds company too
    [20:36:40] <Spring> hmm,hmm.
    [20:36:55] <eha> But how are we going to spend money on this? By percentage?
    [20:37:04] <Spring> i think that would be the best
    [20:37:14] <Spring> since we don't know how much money we would have at a given time
    [20:37:25] <eha> what if we run out of money, or the use goes over the given limit of funding?
    [20:37:41] <eliberator> we need a buffer
    [20:37:43] <Spring> it's still by percentage
    [20:38:04] <eliberator> buffer is 20% Smile -> to have the first pecentage
    [20:38:11] <Spring> if we have 1 g, military is still prioritized, and would ricieve a set percentage
    [20:38:19] <Spring> recieve*
    [20:39:42] <Spring> eliberator: a buffer you say?
    [20:40:26] <Spring> That would mean, a set percentage until we reach our limit (wich would be the beginning of the buffer)
    [20:40:35] <eliberator> yes, a buffer for any unscheduled expenses
    [20:40:47] <eha> sounds reasonable.
    [20:41:14] <Martin_hval> yes
    [20:41:44] <Spring> But I think the buffer would have to be quite big in order to be functional
    [20:42:10] <Spring> 1k? (or is that too big?)
    [20:43:22] <Martin_hval> If the buffer was at 20%, ATM it is 327,6 Gold and 10300.2 NOK
    [20:44:16] <Spring> hmm, i think a set buffer is to be prefered
    [20:44:35] <Martin_hval> one, thing:
    [20:45:10] <Martin_hval> do we have money anywhere else than in the trasury and in the Bank of Norway?
    [20:45:47] <Spring> Not that I know of - but i'm also quite new to this so i don't have all the information
    [20:45:50] <eliberator> we should have enough money for citizen fee Wink) in order not to have alerts in the congress
    [20:46:16] <eha> There's some money in the state companies and the military org.
    [20:46:35] <eha> about 15000 NOK in universal defence systems Q5
    [20:46:36] <Martin_hval> Ok, then they aren't counted
    [20:46:46] <eha> and some nok in the armed forces account
    [20:46:55] <eha> some gold too
    [20:48:58] <Martin_hval> 85 Gold and 240 NOK
    [20:49:00] <Spring> My oppinion is that we have a set buffer, one wich can be determined by vote in the party. This to be sure we aren't victims of some unforseen attack or otherwise horrible situation
    [20:49:31] <Martin_hval> yes, and to pay the citizen fee
    [20:49:43] <Spring> Exactly.
    [20:50:42] <Martin_hval> and with a buffer on 20% we have enough to pay 343 new citizen
    [20:51:03] <Martin_hval> I think that would be enough for a while
    [20:52:10] * Glost (~didrik_an@226.80-202-88.nextgentel.com) has joined #gullpartiet
    [20:52:11] <Spring> So, are the production companies of weapons going to be included in the military budget?
    [20:52:43] <Spring> and likewise hospitals & defences?
    [20:53:16] <Martin_hval> Not the hospitals and defences under Military
    [20:53:27] <Spring> no, sorry, my mistake Smile
    [20:53:42] <Martin_hval> but the weapon should be put there
    [20:53:51] <Martin_hval> don't worry
    [20:54:08] <Spring> That would mean less money (percentage wise) to tank operations. or am I wrong?
    [20:54:57] <Martin_hval> maybe... eha or glost do you know?
    [20:55:25] <eliberator> how many hospitals do we want/need?
    [20:55:56] <eliberator> or we want to focus only on the budget?
    [20:56:01] <eliberator> percentages?
    [20:56:02] <Spring> budget
    [20:56:06] * Cirno (~Cirno@Cirno.users.quakenet.org) Quit (Signed off)
    [20:56:19] <Martin_hval> let's take the budget first
    [20:58:15] <Spring> ok, I am the military. I'm going to buy weapons and gift for my army. If i have to give workers money, and buy their produced guns for money, I'm sure to lose money.
    [20:58:54] <Martin_hval> well, you just pay the workers
    [20:58:57] <Spring> That would mean the money lost is the money from salaries
    [20:59:12] <Martin_hval> and Raw Materials
    [20:59:18] <Spring> yes.
    [20:59:41] <eliberator> Martin_hval, and Spring : what is happening with a state company should be very well organized
    [21:00:04] <eliberator> the raw materials should be bought not from the market directly
    [21:00:32] <Martin_hval> my mistake, I'm not sure how they do it
    [21:00:37] <eliberator> we would have to have some ebay Very Happy
    [21:00:39] <Spring> no, ofcourse, but that's up to those in charge of operations
    [21:00:50] <Spring> it's not directly linked to the budget
    [21:00:58] <Spring> wich we are here to discuss.
    [21:01:07] <eliberator> ok
    [21:01:15] <eliberator> do you want some Univerisity Companies?
    [21:02:45] <eliberator> ah.. and for the military we also need some MPPs
    [21:02:54] <Martin_hval> University Companies?
    [21:02:55] <eliberator> which costs some gold, as I know
    [21:03:36] <eliberator> q1 companies for the beginners in gifts and diamonds/iron let's say
    [21:03:48] <Martin_hval> ok
    [21:04:15] <Glost> universal companies Wink
    [21:04:34] <eliberator> i don't know who is universal Smile
    [21:05:07] <Glost> the state
    [21:05:16] <Spring> Summarizing:
    [21:05:16] <Spring> 1.Military (Weapon companies, tickets, gifts, tanks and troopers) - High percentage
    [21:05:16] <Spring> 2.Hospitals (Including companies of making them)
    [21:05:16] <Spring> 3.DS (Including companies of making them
    [21:05:16] <Spring> 4.Extra (Including MPP's and such)
    [21:05:47] <eha> Looks great
    [21:05:52] <eliberator> where is the national bank?
    [21:06:02] <Spring> well, we haven't spoken of one yet
    [21:06:07] <eha> No funding for that one?
    [21:06:25] <Spring> we should have funding for it. I'm not sure how it's run though
    [21:06:32] <Spring> do we even have one?
    [21:06:39] <eliberator> yes. we have Very Happy
    [21:06:49] <Martin_hval> http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization/1227051 here it is
    [21:07:07] <eha> Well, transfer all money from the state at the beginning of each month?
    [21:07:53] <eha> Then we could measure the flow of income during the month
    [21:07:56] <eliberator> all the money - citizen fee
    [21:07:57] <Spring> down to a certain amount set aside for newcommers
    [21:08:51] <Spring> how much does it cost to print money?
    [21:09:19] <eliberator> 0.005 gold / nok
    [21:10:37] <eliberator> printing money is not so good
    [21:11:35] <Martin_hval> I don't think we need to print more money either, seeing that 1 gold=55 Nok
    [21:11:44] <eha> no, but it wont be much of a harm for citizen fees anyways
    [21:12:19] <Spring> well, if we would have to, that money should be taken out of the "4. Extra" budget.
    [21:12:39] <Martin_hval> yes
    [21:12:45] <Spring> making no.4 bigger than both 2 and 3.
    [21:13:02] <Spring> Priority:
    [21:13:02] <Spring> 1.
    [21:13:02] <Spring> 4.
    [21:13:02] <Spring> 2.
    [21:13:02] <Spring> 3
    [21:13:17] <Spring> and 5.
    [21:13:22] <Spring> (for national bank)
    [21:14:06] <Spring> but what the national bank needs funding for, I don't know. Other than to control inflation deflation
    [21:14:07] <eliberator> let's say 33% for military
    [21:15:17] <eliberator> national bank does not need funding, it only keeps the money safe Very Happy
    [21:15:22] <Martin_hval> and 20% as a buffer
    [21:17:45] <Spring> eliberator, i know for a fact that Svenska Riksbanken uses part of it's money to activly control the swedish currency.
    [21:18:43] <Spring> If someone tries to dominate the monetary market, riksbanken is there and controls the situation.
    [21:19:21] <Martin_hval> the bank used to do that, but it has stopped
    [21:19:28] <eha> why?
    [21:19:36] <Martin_hval> I don't know
    [21:19:50] <Spring> wasn't it free earlier, to print money?
    [21:20:16] <Martin_hval> yes
    [21:20:21] <Spring> if so, then that might be the case why they stopped intervening (only on rare occasions)
    [21:20:30] <eliberator> look at portugal Very Happy...
    [21:20:36] <Spring> ye.
    [21:20:40] <eliberator> they printed money for free!!!
    [21:20:44] <Martin_hval> or old greece
    [21:21:15] <Glost> the national bank stoped during the russian atack
    [21:21:32] <Martin_hval> yes
    [21:22:09] <Spring> Imo, military should receive 40% or more
    [21:23:36] <Spring> Looking at our party, stating we are an imperialistic one (are we really?), military is kind of key.
    [21:24:14] <Spring> 20% buffer
    [21:24:23] <Spring> 40 % hospital and defence
    [21:24:42] <Glost> the imperalistic part is going to be removed
    [21:24:55] <Spring> Yeah, figured.
    [21:24:58] <Martin_hval> we were imperialistic, but I think that's a long time ago
    [21:25:17] <eliberator> we need citizens to be imperialists
    [21:25:18] <Martin_hval> that's when we were the second largest country in the world
    [21:25:37] <eliberator> we have not so many citizens
    [21:25:39] <eliberator> guys
    [21:25:43] <eliberator> i have to go to sleep
    [21:25:46] <Spring> Either way, we're higly respected througt erepublik, just look at the dmg dealt in romania - we where second after sweden
    [21:25:49] <Glost> good old times
    [21:25:52] <eliberator> i hope my inputs will be useful Very Happy
    [21:25:58] <Spring> Smile
    [21:26:00] <Spring> good night eliberator
    [21:26:02] <Martin_hval> Yes, thank you
    [21:26:09] <Martin_hval> goodbye
    [21:26:17] <Glost> se you
    [21:27:08] <Spring> So focusing on military - if not for glory and imperialism - will still help to strengthen us. Or as Misho said, ".. we like beeing the underdog"
    [21:28:05] <Spring> Could we agree on 40% or more funding to military?
    [21:28:16] <Martin_hval> Yes, 40% sounds fine
    [21:28:54] <Spring> what i'm not clear on though, Martin_hval, is 20% for budget.
    [21:29:08] <Spring> no, buffer*
    [21:29:37] <Martin_hval> If there is a crisis the money from the buffer should go to the military
    [21:30:01] <Spring> yeah, but what do you mean by 20%
    [21:30:24] <Martin_hval> 20% of the budget?
    [21:30:45] <Spring> of the current size or?
    [21:30:49] * eha (~slayerpin@62.80-202-212.nextgentel.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
    [21:31:00] <Martin_hval> yes I thought so
    [21:31:00] <Spring> would mean that the buffer would vary
    [21:31:21] <Spring> if we next week have 1000g in bank, than the buffer would be 200g.
    [21:31:32] <Martin_hval> yes
    [21:31:58] <Spring> and the week after that we have, 300g in bank, than the buffer would be 60g.
    [21:32:21] <Martin_hval> shouldn't it still be 200g?
    [21:32:27] <Martin_hval> I'm not sure
    [21:32:37] <Spring> not if it is a percentage
    [21:32:43] <Spring> and not a set number
    [21:32:44] <Martin_hval> hmm
    [21:33:13] <Spring> if we say "Buffer is 500g" than buffer is 500g
    [21:33:28] <Glost> 20% at the start of a term?
    [21:33:33] <Spring> but if we say, "buffer is 20% of budget" than the buffer would vary in size from time to time
    [21:34:05] <Spring> 20% at the start of a term is much better.
    [21:34:05] <Martin_hval> but I'll have to go
    [21:34:14] <Martin_hval> see you guys aroud
    [21:34:17] <Spring> Ok, cya Martin_hval
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    [21:34:27] <Spring> darn.
    [21:34:49] <Spring> well, I'll post this in the forum so that we can continue this discussion.
    [21:35:16] <Glost> good i am looking forward to it
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    Re: Budgets, we need more people

    Post by Spring Teodor on Wed 11 Mar 2009 - 23:43

    Glost said, 20% of the current size of the total budget at the start of each term, he managed to squeeze it in just before the end of the session, and I must say it sounds very good.
    If Eha would like to sumarize what was said during this conversation, I think most of us would be more than happy. Reading logs takes time, and what has been said could go lost at the blink of an eye, literally.
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    Re: Budgets, we need more people

    Post by Eha Pappkriger on Sat 14 Mar 2009 - 17:50

    This is the order of prioritation.

    1. Military
    4. State-owned companies (Universal Hospitals, Universal Defence Systems, Norwegian weapon)
    2. Hospitals (Goes under the forth category, but will be prioritized more)
    3. Same as hospitals
    5. National bank

    Which means 40% of the budget will be spent on military, 40% on number 2, 3 and 4, and the rest of the budget will be used as a buffer, in case of unforseen expenses.
    The national bank is there to control the inflation/deflation and the flow of money and gold.


    Sorry for a late summarization, this thread never showed up as active. :S
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    Re: Budgets, we need more people

    Post by Kenneth V on Sat 14 Mar 2009 - 21:31

    Good work:)!
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    Re: Budgets, we need more people

    Post by Eha Pappkriger on Mon 23 Mar 2009 - 1:47

    About time we make another meeting?
    Especially since we're not so far away from new presidental elections, and congress elections.

    And there have been some new things for us to add. Etteretningstjenesten and possibly other military orders.
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    Re: Budgets, we need more people

    Post by Kenneth V on Mon 23 Mar 2009 - 10:14

    Etteretningstjenesten need money for travel tickets, gifts to raise their wellness and the people who work ther is just like the troopers, they got to be paid. but i dont know much about this:P just my oppinion:)

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